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Hi there
I bought an old place and moved in to find the oven didn't work. It was an old Chef Integra Baroness that had a separate grill. I have a new standard 60cm oven ready to install but does not have a grill and is a bit wider so I need to modify the cabinet. I've not done this kind of thing before but don't really have the spare cash to spend on a cabinet make, plus the kitchen is old and tired so it doesn't need to look incredible.
The current cavity is 765 wide 960 high and 589 deep (rear face of front panel to wall)
The current opening is 545 wide 905 high and 16 deep
The new oven requires a hole 560+8 wide, 590 high and 550 min deep. I want to modify the cabinet and add an off-the-shelf drawer underneath. I have some questions interlaced in the steps I plan to take below. Appreciate any help.
1) I will widen the opening to 560mm by taking off around 7.5mm each side of the opening using a jigsaw, I will clam some straight timber to use as a guide for a straight line.
I need to reduce the height of the opening by 905-590 = 315mm.
2) I will need a shelf. The plan dimensions will need to be 765 wide (I might make it 760 wide to ensure it fits) and min 550 deep. Since the cavity is 589 deep, I'll go with 560 for a 29mm gap behind. Question: What material and thickness of that material should the shelf be for strength and any requirements for oven heat resistance? The shelf will be supported on two sides only.
3) Supports for the shelf. I want to narrow the cavity below the oven to 560mm to be flush with the opening and to fit an off-the-shelf drawer such as the one in this link
https://www.catch.com.au/product/elite-kitchen-pull-out-drawer-suits-600mm-cabinet-9115728/
I would then need to source supports for the shelf that are 560 long (to match the shelf) and each 100mm wide (from 102.5mm). The height of the supports would depend on the thickness of the shelf. For example if the shelf were 16mm thick, the height would be 300mm
Ideas for these supports would be appreciated.
In summary
1) What thickness and material shelf would i need to support a standard 60cm Bosch walloven considering any heat requirements. If will be support on the sides with a span of about 560mm.
2) Ideas for the support that are 100mmx300mm (approx) cross section and 560mm long. Assuming that I can get a timber section a bunnings of these dimensions cut to length? What wood would I want?
3) Anything I haven't considered?
Thanks for any help!
Pic below.
Hi Jacob
Thank you for your response. I have assessed in accordance with the installation instructions in the manual and my intentions meet all required clearances.
For support, the manual does not address the mass of the oven and thus support weight requirements. It states that a resistance of 90 degrees celsius is required from a heat perspective. I intend to have the oven installed by a licensed electrician, but want him in and out, installing the oven onto a pre-prepared cabinet that is ready to receive the oven.
I just need to know the material and thickness of shelf to meet the requirements based on being supported on two opposite sides only (which I presume most are since there is always a ventilation requirement at the rear edge) spanning 765mm wide. I also wanted ideas for support of the shelf but I will just go with the 2x100x300 timbers and shims to make up any additional thickness if no other ideas are thrown my way.
Hi @coastie,
Typically, ovens are not installed directly on shelves; they utilise runners on the sides of the cabinet. This allows an air gap under the oven. If you take a look at our Kaboodle oven base cabinets, you'll see the chipboard runners that the oven sits on. Timber ignition points are generally over 200 degrees Celsius, but sustained periods of 90 degrees would not be recommended. If your oven requires a shelf that can cope with up to 90 degrees Celsius, that basically rules out most timbers like chipboard, especially melamine coated, and you'd need to look towards a more heat-resistant material, such as compressed fibre cement. Consideration still needs to be given to whether an airgap would be required under the fibre cement. Keep this in mind for the sides and top of the oven if the melamine is in close proximity and will see similar temperatures.
Was there any provision for raising the oven off the shelf with timber rails on either side, or does it have to be fully supported by the shelf?
I suggest discussing your options with a carpenter or, ideally, a cabinet maker to ensure the materials used comply with specifications. Or, you might like to check whether the oven can be supported on rails, which would be the much simpler solution.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Mitchell
Hi Mitchell
There is nothing in the manual about rails. The model is a HBF113BR0A.
User manual and installation instructions HBF113BR0A | Bosch (bosch-home.com)
Nothing depicted below either. As you can see from the original picture there were no rails on for my original oven either.
I will of course get an electrician to install the oven, I had just wanted to get the cabinet ready (DIY) before the electrician comes over. I didn't envisage this being so difficult as in my experience when people buy ovens I've never seen an assessment done of the existing cabinetry / materials in the kitchen, they just check the dimensions are compatible in store and bring it over to install.
It looks like I'll be employing a cabinet maker.
Thanks
Coastie
Hi @coastie
I believe that engaging the services of a cabinet maker is the safest course of action. You should still be able to tell the cabinet maker to install your drawer in the configuration that you like. It will be done to code and installed professionally. The best part is that it will all be under warranty.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Eric
