210 x 165 Bathroom Dimension. I am looking to renovate my bathroom. Shower/Vanity is in my mind(no tub). Please let me know your opinion.
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Hi Ram,
Before making start on your bathroom makeover I would suggest getting an asbestos assessment done as many old bathrooms contain it. Do you know what year the house was built? If the floor is vinyl it could be in that, and if the walls are not brick it could be lined with cement sheeting and depending on the age it could be in that as well. I agree with Mitchell and Eric, removing the shelving will give you alot more room. However is the shower head and taps on that wall? (as I dont see them near the window) To keep plumbing costs down I always try to keep everything in the same place if possible. Another thing to bear in mind, if you remove the bath there may not be any concrete underneath if its an older home so this is another consideration for the budget.
I recently did a bathroom reno and left the bath in place as I wanted to keep the costs down & painted it white. My real estate agent said it was a good move for re-sale as many families like to have them https://www.workshop.bunnings.com.au/t5/Bathroom-and-Laundry/700-bathroom-makeover/m-p/117346
I hope some of this helps and good luck!
Hi @rveerasu,
Thanks for sharing your bathroom renovation project with us. Can we please trouble you for a sketch of the layout of the room, complete with dimensions? It would help our members see what you are working with.
It would also be great to hear your goals for this project, and whether you have a budget in mind. This will help us determine whether you can simply perform a makeover or gut the whole room and start from scratch in a comprehensive renovation. Experienced Workshop member @Adam_W has shared a comprehensive guide How to plan a bathroom renovation that would be a good place for you to start.
Jason
Hello @rveerasu
Thank you for sharing pictures of your current bathroom. Due to the limited space in the room, I've drawn your initial layout with the largest wall-hanging vanity cabinet I could find. Combined with a timber benchtop and a countertop basin this should be an affordable upgrade to your current vanity.
I recommend removing the built-in shelf near the end of the bath to free up some space to allow the shower to be relocated in that spot. I've placed in some Bellazza 60 x 60cm Crema Porcelain Floor Tiles and classic Decor8 Tiles 284 x 324 x 6mm White Matt Hexagon Ceramic Mosaic Tile for the walls. Please have a look at the sketch and let me know what you think. If you wish to see it in another configuration please let me know.
If you have any other questions we can help with, please let us know.
Eric
That's a nice plan & it fills the need. But I have a concern about the divider. Can we remove that?
It looks like @EricL's preference was for you to remove the divider/built-in shelf. "I recommend removing the built-in shelf near the end of the bath to free up some space."
From the photo you've provided, it doesn't appear that the divider contains a stud wall. If it's not a structural wall, then you should be able to remove it without issue. If you'd like to take a few more photos from a different angle, I trust our members will be able to confirm this for you.
Since this is a reasonably old bathroom, you should verify that there is no asbestos before starting demolition work. If there is asbestos present, you'll need to take safety precautions when working with it. Check out this Best Advice article on Where might you find asbestos in your home?
I'll be looking forward to following along with your project. Please let us know if you have further questions.
Mitchell
Please see some more photos.
That partition certainly looks like it would be easily removed as part of a complete renovation of your bathroom. However, when removing any wall, it's essential to ensure that it isn't part of a load-bearing structure. If you are unsure, I'd encourage you to enlist the service of a qualified professional that can check for you.
Thanks, I am not planning to remove walls, but removing this divider was a big concern (thanks for that @MitchellMc).
Do you have any ref for professionals who can check & confirm its this wooden piece is not load-bearing or not?
Cheers,
Ram
Ram (@rveerasu),
Typically, it would be a structural engineer or a builder that could assist with determining the structural nature of a wall. I believe this is a partition and not a wall, but I'd hate to recommend you remove it, and then there be issues.
Thanks for your comment(it will be way beyond my budget), is it possible that we can use the space as it is. and a plan.
Anything is possible, Ram (@rveerasu).
If you can let us know your budget for this project, it will significantly assist our members with providing suggestions that can be achieved.
Removing that shelving will provide more room to achieve plans like @EricL's above. The shelving left there really limits our ability to use the space efficiently.
Hi,
Since shelf removal is included, I don't have really a number in mind. Max 5K , But I want to keep the cost as minimum as possible.
The kitchen is just renovated(9K). and now rebuilding the bathroom would add value to the property, but we bought this property at its peak, so I don't want to invest too much in renovation & plan to do DIY as much as I can.
https://www.workshop.bunnings.com.au/t5/Kitchen/Kitchen-renovation-ideas-wanted/m-p/116662#M4409
Hello @rveerasu (Ram)
If you are worried about that wall being a weight-bearing structure, I suggest engaging the services of a registered builder so that they can make an assessment. If they say it is a weight-bearing wall you can ask them for a quote and the possibility of removal, plus the cost to create a support bracket for the ceiling. However, if they say that it is not a weight-bearing wall and can be removed with no worries, you can still engage their services for the demolition of the bathroom.
To give you an example of cost, kitchen demolitions will range anywhere from $800 to $1500 depending on location and complexity. It could even go higher as some tradies will have to travel farther to get to a property. A bathroom is way smaller and your bathroom only has three items to be taken out including the wall.
I recommend taking your time concerning your bathroom renovation. I propose making enquiries about waterproofing, plumbing and electrical works. If you are planning on doing the rest of the renovation, it will probably include tiling, painting and the installation of the vanity. Depending on where you live, some installations will have to be done by registered trades.
I suggest having a look at this guide - How to plan a bathroom renovation by @Adam_W. The guide will give you an excellent idea of how you can plan your bathroom renovation.
Let me call on our experienced members @redbournreno, @prettyliving, @Melzie and @homeinmelbourne for their recommendations.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Hi @Melzie
Thank you very much for those recommendations. let me tag @rveerasu to make sure they are made aware of your suggestions. I definitely agree with your suggestion of checking for asbestos. Having it in your house definitely puts a wrinkle in any renovation project.
Thank you so much.
> Floor is Vinyl & no concrete(I checked)
> built on 1970s
> Outside wall is brick. But these inside rooms are timber.
> Shower is attached to the divided wall
Hi @rveerasu
Thank you for posting that extra photo of your shower wall. Looking at the fittings attached to it, it would seem that this was once a shower over bath. It's difficult to tell if this plumbing attachment is still functional, but if it is, it will make the plumbing configuration a lot easier for the new shower location. But as I've mentioned before, I suggest engaging the services of a registered builder not only to make sure that it is not a load-bearing wall but to identify if there is asbestos in the building as well.
I just checked with Architect, It's not load bearing & can be removed. Can you please let me know, do I need to get council approval to renovate the bathroom from TUB to the shower?
cheers,
Before you go to the local council, I suggest drawing up a plan with pen and paper. By having these details handy you'll be in a position to ask more questions about your local council's rules and regulations. One of the easiest ways to look at the rules is to check online, go to your local council's website and type in "bathroom renovations" and you should get several suggestions from the site.
However, if you find that you need more information and wish to speak to someone from the council, I recommend visiting them at their local office and asking for information about bathroom renovations.
Hi @rveerasu ,
That is an exciting challenge and almost anything you do will be a massive improvement. I can't see a toilet in those images - did you intend to put one in? Because that will be a bigger cost with more knock on implications. Considering your budget then I will assume that you don't need a toilet in there.
* Best bang for your buck will be to keep the bath and the stud wall for shelving in place. This is because the shower pipework runs out of that stud wall. It will cost a lot more in plumbing to change that. And as already mentioned, the floor under the bath can cause a lot of problems for installing a new shower, which will cost more.
* Before you start anything wear a mask and gloves and overalls while you check under the bath etc for any sign of rot or damp or water damage.
** I STRONGLY RECOMMEND that you get the walls and that linoleum floor tested for asbestos. https://asbestosawareness.com.au/?runonce=1 Follow the instructions on keeping yourself safe while sampling. It is often cheaper to collect the samples yourself and take them to a testing centre than have them visit, especially if it is a regional property.
*** TO DO:
Remove all old sealant by scraping it out, using sealant dissolving goop, and add fresh sealant when everything else is finished.
Paint the bath, by following the instructions exactly, using the Dulux renovation range or Rustoleum/White Knight ranges.
Replace the vanity - measure carefully and think about how it will look because it currently join right up next to the bath.
Install an overbath semi-frameless shower screen and new tapware.
What is under the vinyl/linoleum? You could just replace that with new vinyl from the roll. The timber effect ones at Bunnings are excellent value. Use sealant at the edges.
You could get a tiler to tile the walls and floors, or do it yourself if you could manage it. Larger format tiles 300x600mm are often a convenient size for walls, and between 100 - 300mm floor tiles are the easiest to manage for floors and usually cost effective. The tiles only need to go in the shower and behind the vanity, where you already have panelling. Or there are a couple of panelling types that look really nice at that price point, such as a textured white subway, if the tiling is too much. You can glue them on and seal them.
A plastic panel could go on the side of the bath. New white melamine shelving or baskets and go in the nook area.
Paint all round in a low sheen kitchen and bathroom quality paint like Taubmans Endure to help keep mould at bay. Add some plants and coloured towels and candles for interest.
All easily achievable for under $5k if you make clever selections and avoid moving plumbing. If you find asbestos you will have to be very careful what you do.
Best of fun with it.
Hi @redbournreno
Thank you very much for sharing such a detailed recommendation. Let me tag @rveerasu to make sure they see your suggestions.
Thank you so much @redbournreno , @EricL @MitchellMc Got some ideas. Please feel free to comment it.
Removing:
Side walls that covered with PVC board (122cm H)
Vanity.
Side PVC board connected around the tub( since removing Vanity will surely disturb this)
Vinyl flooring.
Remove old plumbing(copper), and cut the pipe to the desired height.
Doing:
Installing a new DRY wall on the shower area
Covered with light weight Joint compound (masking tape).
Install Vanity.
Cover the wall with UV PVC board in the shower area to ceiling height(full) & leave the Shower area & ready with PVC board, calling a plumber to connect the shower & put the remaining PVC board.
Sealing the GAPS with a waterproof cack(gap filler).
cover the Tub sides with a PVC sheet.
apply the vinyl sheet.
Pait with Dulux bathroom mid shine paint(rest of the area).
applying TUB & tile refurnishing kit on bath tub to get a good look( 5 days curing period).
removing old shaving mirror box & using 600mm mirror box.
That sounds like a great plan, Ram (@rveerasu).
Keep us updated and reach out when you have questions or if you get stuck.
I'll be looking forward to seeing your results.
Yes I think you are on the right track there.
Things to consider in your plan though.
1. If you are adding new drywall to the shower then make sure it is villaboard or aquacheck, not standard type plasterboard.
2. You should consider waterproofing your wall in the shower and behind the vanity before you apply the PVC.
3. Paint your bath with tile and tub paint BEFORE you seal the gaps with silicone (and probably before you add the PVC to the walls). You need the sealant on top of your new bath paint and the PVC wall.
4. Taubmans or Dulux low sheen kitchen and bathroom paint will be great for that space. Use semi-gloss or gloss on the trims.
Thank you very much for those extra recommendations, let me tag @rveerasu to make them aware of your added suggestions.
Sounds like a good plan Ram, looking forward to seeing the end result and how much you managed to do it for if you share 🙂
