Hi folks,
We are wanting to do some work on our kitchen. Following are the things we would like to do. This is going to be one at a time.
A. Changing the Rangehood to this: https://www.bunnings.com.au/bellini-90cm-stainless-steel-canopy-rangehood_p0186539
my existing one is:
B. Changing the Cooktop to induction or ceramic cooktop, like this: https://www.bunnings.com.au/bellini-60cm-induction-cooktop_p5103044
my existing one:
C. Change splashback to this: https://www.bunnings.com.au/vistelle-700-x-745-x-6mm-mist-glass-splashback_p2669127?gclid=CjwKCAiAsaOBBhA4EiwAo0_AnEVwjCqldXC314eDagMnlC9fNwr7BqUjAgAxkbJzNtjdM3wbZvV9IRoCaOsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
The current one is :
😧 install new Dishwasher:
The current one is:
E: install new oven:
F: Changing the Benchtop:
Current one:
We would like to know what is the best sequence to follow to achieve what we would like to do.
At the moment, the main priority is B, but still, we can follow the right logical order.
Any suggestion is highly appreciated.
The main reason is, we don't want to undo (affect) the job which has already been done
Sorry, I forgot to add another item,
G: Kitchen Sink
Hi @Sugar,
It sounds like you have some fantastic plans in the works and I can't wait to follow along.
The sink and cooktop will need to be installed into the new benchtop. You wouldn't want to damage that new benchtop by removing tiles above it, so I'd suggest that the tiles' removal needs to be done before the bench installation.
I would believe the best sequence would be to remove the benchtop and tiles first and have the new benchtop and splashback installed. Once the benchtop is in, you'll be able to install the stove and sink. The range hood, dishwasher and oven could be installed at any stage.
Let me mention @redracer01, @Mathy and @NickiM to see if they had a preference on what sequence would be best.
Mitchell
Hi @Sugar , these are great plans and informative pictures.
Having recently had a kitchen makeover myself, the order in which mine was conducted was as follows:
1. Upper cabinets and new range hood installed (as they lean on the bench tops to hoist up the upper cabinetry.)
2. Removal of cooktops & sink, then bench tops and backsplash.
My oven was an under bench oven. If yours is the same, then the oven and dishwasher can happen later. If you’re (re)considering a freestanding oven with stove, then the bench top will have to be cut to measure the size of the oven. Ideally, your range hood and stove top are the same size.
Enjoy your renovation. Look forward to seeing your new kitchen.
Many thanks for sharing your practical firsthand experience @NickiM. I trust @Sugar appreciates your input.
@MitchellMc @NickiM I am very grateful for your advice.
I am trying to organize my thoughts and questions related to what you guys have said in the previous email. I will ask them in my next comments.
It is always good learn from you guys.
@MitchellMc @NickiM After such a long time, we have come to the point where we want to give this project a life. We want to do a full kitchen renovation followed by Hybrid floor installation. However, we want to do the kitchen first that includes, cabinetry, sink, rangehood, new appliances ( dish washer & oven) and benchtop.
We had few people coming and asked for quotes. Plus we had a person coming from Bunnings. The quote goes from 10K-15K.
It is a big project and not sure what we can do although I have so much interest on things that can be done by ourselves except benchtop, which seem to be needing precise cutting plus measurement. We are not confident.
What you guys suggest what methods and strategies we can implement so that we can finish our this project in economical 🙂 ?
Or any examples set by other members where we can grab ideas and tips.
Thanks a lot.
Hello @Sugar
One way to save on your installation is by doing the kitchen demolition yourself. Removing the old kitchen cabinets and benchtop will save you a demolition charge straight away. Another method is to assemble the cabinets yourself, kitchen installers will sometimes add a cabinet assembly charge,
Having the cabinets assembled and positioned in place will save you time and money. Tiling the splashback yourself is another job you can do yourself. Aside from this any electrical and plumbing work will need to be done by the trades people.
Let me call on our experienced members @redbournreno @homeinmelbourne and @lifestylebymari for their recommendations.
If you have any other questions we can help with, please let us know.
Eric
@EricL Many thanks for replying to my queries. I am writing here in more detail with recent pictures of my kitchen.
Eric - "One way to save on your installation is by doing the kitchen demolition yourself. Removing the old kitchen cabinets and benchtop will save you a demolition charge straight away. Another method is to assemble the cabinets yourself, kitchen installers will sometimes add a cabinet assembly charge,"
We certainly can take out the existing benchtop and cabinet as well. The existing cabinets are also not that bad but I guess we can change them while changing the benchtop. Few tradies suggested to have the angular part of the benchtop removed and make the extension instead as shown in the image below, which we like the idea and which will make us to change whole cabinets of this side of the kitchen.
@EricL - "Having the cabinets assembled and positioned in place will save you time and money."
Option 1 = We are more than happy to keep this side of the kitchen as it is if there are some way to make these cabinets fresh with color. Howerver, we will be changing the small rectangular benchtop on this. We should be able to easily change the door handles. There are not much damages on this side of the kitchen.
Option 2 = We can get rid of the whole thing, but do we get to purchase just the cabinet from anywhere ? If we get newish from anywhere, may be we can install them ourselves as well ( with little courage)
@EricL - "Tiling the splashback yourself is another job you can do yourself."
I believe we will be able to do this ourselves in following indicated areas.
@EricL - "Aside from this any electrical and plumbing work will need to be done by the trades people."
For electrical side - We might need to help on installing Oven and Rangehood. Dishwasher should be straight forward and connecting the hose.
For plumbing side - We will be having new sink and taps as well. We are working on type of taps we would like to use. Currently it is like this:
but we might be going with this once we have new sink
Many thanks in advance.
To answer your questions, with that style of rangehood, the cabinets are removed from the area and replaced with it. You'll be losing storage space to achieve that look. However, the ducted rangehood is superior to your current in-cabinet version.
You'd need to install a bulkhead to fill the gap between the cabinetry and ceiling. It's a flat piece of timber or plasterboard extending from the cabinetry upwards. To install the new plasterboard, you'll need to install a timber framework onto which it can be affixed.
Please let us know if you have further questions.
@MitchellMc @EricL
The following drawings were created by one of the Bunnings consultants when he visited my house.
Do we get to buy complete kitchen sets like above, cabinets, and pantry overhead cabinets from Bunnings and how do we go about that?
I have seen on youtube people buy kitchen set, they get delivered and they can install themselves. That will work for us.
And if so, how do we manage the cutting of benchtop especially around sink (for new sink) and cuts to adjust window part that falls on benchtop.
I see some options available in IKEA (I hope you do not mind me mentioning other brand here ) to purchase complete set as well.
Thanks for your help.
Evening @Sugar
I am on the lead up to redoing my kitchen as well, tho my kitchen is a fair few years older then yours 🙂
I have installed a kaboodle kitchen in my previous place and it really was easy, a lot easier then I expected. If you can put a flatpack IKEA furniture together then you can definently put together the shells for the cupboards ect. The doors and draws come later 🙂
My last place I wanted the old lino floor gone and to bring the floorboards up and shine. I didnt want to do part of the floor so choose to gut the entire area and do it all, even where we planned to put cupboards over the floorspace. If I ever moved the kitchen around i wanted everthing to remain as equal as I could and did not want to have to resand the whole floor again.
Bulkheads as @MitchellMc mentioned are a good way to block out that leftover space, Benchtops if you do them yourselves can be kept to straight cuts so you dont need to be as exact as you have to. (I am going for a galley style kitchen for this reason) And I intend to use timber benchtops.
Making sure the shells of the cupboards are level is something I recommend strongly.
I havnt tiled, I used a splashback and stuck it to the wall instead.
I am a sparky so I can move power points and install the oven so that was handy. Otherwise Id suggest to figure out the benchtop space sfor toasters/kettles/ovens/wok ect and then install extra 🙂
I havnt put the project up as the photos I have are from 2009 😲 Tho will see if I get time tomorrow to do so.
When we purchased the sets to build, we actually lugged them all home in the Hyundai hatchback 🙂 They are heavy to lug up stairs so you may nee dto break down some of the packs and carry them in. Follow the instructions as they are right 🙂 Even when your mind says mmmm the instructions will eventually "click" The only thing I had deliverd was the oven as it was a 900mm one and woulnt fit into the car.
Kitchen and dining room was out of action for three and a half months (I expected within 6 weeks I could do it all lol)
Loved doing it all, and looking forward to doing another. Take lots of pics for reference and to show us of course!
Dave
The entire kitchen can be purchased and delivered to your home. If you have experience in assembling and installing cabinets, you should be able to put them together yourself. However, I suggest engaging the services of a trades person to install the benchtop as it is very technically involved especially near the window.
However, you can have your entire kitchen installed for you as the store has a kitchen installation service. This includes plumbing and electrical service. Please speak to your stores kitchen specialist if you wish to find out how much it will cost to install the kitchen for you.
I've drawn up a sample of your kitchen with a larger benchtop and a smaller pantry but with more drawers as an option.
@EricL @Dave-1
I have bought plenty of furniture online ( Plenty for IKEA and plenty from Bunnings) and have fixed them myself. All the entertainment set, bed, dining table, chairs, cupboards, buffet units, cupboards on sides of the tv, and I will rate my furniture assembly skills 8/10, 2 is taken for speed.
And this is good news that they can be bought and assembled and fit together.
@EricL we would be preferring to assemble ourselves if that saves some bucks. And I also agree that we should be very careful on installing benchtop. May be we can get someone to just do benchtop. What do you think ?
Dave I would really appreciate if you can share your photos so that I know what you are talking about 🙂 Thanks
Morning @Sugar
Will try and put them up later this morning/lunch 🙂
And yes I am sure you can get someone to do just the benchtop 🙂
Remember the walls may not be square to each other and even may not be true vertical 🙂 It threw me when I found that out also lol
My best advice regarding the cabinet assembly is to make sure that all the cabinets are level and anchored securely together. Make sure that the plumbing and electrical cutout positions are triple checked before cutting into the cabinets.
I suggest posting the benchtop installation job on Airtasker or Hipages. Make sure to specify all the details of the installation so that you get an answer as soon as possible. Get an email quote and always ask for references so that you can see the type of work they've done before.
Just finished putting the project together and going through the old photos 🙂
Man, dragging memories of how and why I installed the kitchen the way I did was interesting.
Kitchen Build from 2009 is the project.
It was good to go through for a refresh before I get around to doing my new kitchen I must admit.
Cant wait really 🙂
Always remember "You cant take too many photos" as it helps you out down the track to find studs/cabels/reasons why you did something.
@EricL With some budgeting going towards laundry renovation, the kitchen renovation is going to be delayed (looks like it) for a while.
However, the Flooring still being priority, we are thinking if the flooring job can be continued to the kitchen and living room areas while doing in the Laundry area.
I am a little concern about the future once the flooring is done now in kitchen area based on the current design and purposed design (we want to go with this future). Following are the design again.
Current Design
Purposed Design
If you see current design, one end of the benchtop and the whole cabinet finish off on angle, whereas the purpose design has perfect L-shaped benchtop design.
Let's say we do the flooring now around the current design ( which has the angular finishing - indicated by Green markers), and later want to start Kitchen renovation, will we be able to do the adjustment of the Hybrid flooring around the Angular area ? Will we have flexibility of taking out the Hybrid panel and etc.
Apologies if I am not making sense here.
In overall what I want is with Purposed Desing, we might need to add, cut, take out, reinstall hybrid flooring to make the seamless flow around the Angular Areas, when they are turned in to L-Shaped, will I have any difficulty ?
And, will I have more moving opportunities/ flexibility if I go with Hybrid Flooring or proper tiling ?
I really appreciate your advice here.
It is hard to prioritize the work when the whole house needs renovation 🙂
Afternoon @Sugar
How essential is that chopped off cupboard area? Would it be possible to shorten it without ripping the whole lot ot? That way you could work on your floor in preperation of the new kitchen benches?
The carcass should be able to be dismantled from each other (inside cabinet wuill have screws between each shell) and the bench can be cut through using a circular saw and handsaw.
Thank you for letting me know that your kitchen revamp will be delayed. I strongly recommend not doing your flooring in the kitchen until your new kitchen is installed. It is very difficult to rearrange the hybrid flooring once it has been installed and there is the possibility that the panel lengths will be incorrect which means entire sections will need to be relayed and re-cut.
From an installation point of view, it would be better if the flooring was installed only once and that is when the new kitchen is put in.
Thanks @EricL
I might be misunderstanding here something.
Please have a look at a simple drawing I have drawing here.
Red dotted rectangle = The section that will be created when the benchtop will be changed to L-shaped, which will require already laid flooring to be removed to create space for cabinets.
Purple Traingle and Trapezoid = Sections that will be removed once changed to L-shaped, which will not have any flooring laid previously, and which will require to have new flooring done.
Are you saying it will be very hard to have consistence and seamless placement/ flow of the flooring on either sides of benchtop/cabinets that will constitute after adding or removing or whole or a part of the flooring, if I go ahead now and follow above concept ?
I always had an impression that hybrid flooring has flexibility of removing from certain part, adding panel as required and can be slided to adjust as per required. Thanks for explanation.
hi @Dave-1 , when you are saying chopped off area, I am taking that you are meaning the curved benchtop area in current condition.
That is important at the moment, as this is the only kitchen preparation area we have 😁
Thanks
Good Morning @Sugar
Yes I am saying to remove that end of the bench to allow the seemless install of the flooring. Pretty much remove that bench back top the left hand side of the rectangle in the drawing you did.
Thats the eternal problem of fitting out a kitchen while still using the same. When I did my kitchen we gradually shifted around the room until the flooring was done eventually ending up in the laundry even 🙂
Things you could do.
By a cheap table.
Build that new section you will install and then when you chop off the end of the current bench you could place it on that temporary to give the prep space you want.
Schedule the floor and removal of bench closer together time wise so less impact.
Trying to get an area level/looking that that is no join is a hard thing to do, everything from finding the floor isnt level, things in the way, discoloration between old and new as the old went down before the new. All add up to a more complicated job. I agree with @EricL its preferential to do in one go.
Unfortunately, that is not possible. You'll need to wait to have the flooring done. You can not simply add and fill in areas after the flooring has been installed. Hybrid flooring has a clip-lock joining system, which starts at one wall and needs to be laid in a continuous motion across the entire floor in one go. If you were to lay it now, once you come to install the additional section, you'd need to pull all the boards up again, right across to the wall, if not the entire room.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Good evening to you guys @MitchellMc @EricL and @Dave-1 and I am really thankful for your thoughts.
Like everyone is saying here, I am going to wait until I finalize with my kitchen layout and placement and then make the floor laying job as the last job.
Appreciate your words and recommendations. It is going to be a little delayed but eventually I will be doing it.
So many house projects lined up for me 🙂
Hi @Sugar
I'm glad you have decided to wait to install your flooring. I suggest concentrating on your other projects until the time comes for your kitchen revamp.
Please keep us updated with your progress, we look forward to seeing your kitchen installed.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
