Heavy rain comes in the top of our timber windows. Have tried numerous rubber sealants. Any ideas or suggestions?
Many thanks Bunnings
Regards
David
Glad it got sorted @David4321 👍
Hi @David4321,
Welcome to the Bunnings Workhop community.
Perhaps something like this a Syneco 6 x 9mm x 5m Black Self-Adhesive Door Window Weather Seal could be installed on the sill so the windows close against it. It's likely that a combination of a few things will be the best method for stopping the water getting in, but it might require a few additional questions to clarify the issue.
@Dave-1 @Nailbag @Jewelleryrescue, any thoughts on this one?
Hope to hear from you soon,
Jacob
Thank you @JacobZ. Much appreciated. I advise as follows.
1) Yes we have aluminium Awenings to all windows. This does not stop horizontal rain or rain coming in from the side.
2) the water gains access at the top of the windows.
3) we have tried rubber seals along where the window closes in against the timber window frame.
4) I am going to check Bunnings for the seal you have recommended. Also wondering if I should try a seal that attaches to the outside and over the top of the window so that when we close the window the seal flap will rest against the frame?? Maybe try both options?
Much appreciated- I do not know how to attach pics in a reply. This my first pleasant experience with Bunnings Workshop.
To attach pics in a reply, it is the same process you would've used to upload your original photos. There is a small icon above the text box shaped like either a camera, or a landscape photo, click this and follow the steps.
If you have any trouble, let me know and I'll assist further.
With the weather seal that I linked to earlier, make sure it is located in a place where when closed, the window compresses the rubber and creates a good seal. Once you've installed this seal, you should grab a helper to observe the window while you either use the garden hose, or a bucket of water to wet the windows and see if you can identify any specific entry points. If you find any additional areas, you can use Parfix 300g Clear All Purpose Silicone to fill any gaps around the frame that you can see the water getting into.
Feel free to reach out for any further assistance,
Evening @David4321
Now thats an interesting problem.
The photo Id love to see is how the windows look like from outside when open and also when closed.
My ideas pretty much go along the same lines as @JacobZ and I am also wondering what type of overhang is protecting the windows themselves?
Your very first photo we can see drops of water beeding under the timber frame, and in the background we can see the eave I presume? I am wondering how the water gets under the eave and down to the top of the window in such a quantity?
Id also like to offer a warm howdy to the community 🙂 There are lots of project and questions along the same lines of yours in here if you take a wander through the pages... Yeah you will be distracted for sure! 🙂
Dave
Thank you Dave. I will take close up pics of current seals. These seals are set on the top of the window and within the frame corner where the window shuts so it beats me how the water continues to enter. It only enters from the top. Some seals work others do not. I will get the seals recommended by Jacob tomorrow.
Think you for your interest.
Photos of aluminium Awenings posted today.
Regards David 4321
Ditto for me with @JacobZ re the weather seals on the inside of the window frame (not the windows). This type of seal won't have any effect on the outside as it will rely on the window frame making firm contact with it. Just ensure the frame is completely dry and clean to allow the best chance of adhesion.
regards, Nailbag
@Nailbag and @Dave-1,
Here are those images.
Afternoon @David4321
Wow, and must say I love your windows btw 🙂
The way the seals have been attached to the upper side of the windows would allow water to come through I think. But those roofs? they should actually be stopping pretty much any water falling onto the window itself.
Do you know if the installer put any sealant/rubber strip between the sheet of tin and the wall? It would explain why you have water entering at the top of the window if there is no sealant.
Looking at photo one,
the rain falls on the wall,
Runs down the wall and under the sheet of roofing,
then across the top of the window door iteslf.
and pools /seeps through the waterproofing
Into the house.
First step, find out if that sheet is sealed to the wall. (may negate other seals being needed)
Second step instead of sealing within the frame I am thinking of something like the bottom of a door seal like this Raven 920mm Clear Anodised RP3 Door Bottom Seal but installed at the top of the outside window so that when closed allow the water if it does come through run past the window, and when the window is open bend up so it opens smoothly.
In the second photo, where you have installed the seal on the underside of the frame, you should remove this seal and replace it with a piece of 42 x 19mm 1.8m DAR Pine Premium using Paslode 40 x 1.6mm 100g Bright Steel Bullet Head Nails. This will allow a solid surface for the before mentioned Syneco 6 x 9mm x 5m Black Self-Adhesive Door Window Weather Seal to be attached to and compress against the window when closed.
Once installed, the timber can be stained to match, and the nails can be hidden using a nail punch and some Timbermate filler of a suitable colour to match the existing stain.
Unfortunately, you may find that water still gets on to the top of the window, but it should stop it getting inside while it is raining.
Let me know if you need any more advice.
you have hit on an idea I had and that is to run a strip as you describe on the top outside of each window so the strip closes against the frame. I could even pad along the inside of the strip with a runner to give extra protection against rain running down the wall??
Very much appreciate your advice.
David4321
Hi Dave
Your idea of a bottom door seal positioned at the top of the window is a great one. I had been thinking along a similar line (inverting the seal?). Perhaps even add a runner at the top of the seal to help against the rain water that runs down wall.
Really appreciate your advice and I plan to give it a go. ( you may find a separate response floating about as I learn the communication process).
Best regards
Thank you Jacob . Very grateful for your experienced advice. Will add the products to my Bunnings shopping list which even identifies the bay and aisles where I can find each product.
Morning @David4321
First stop is verifing that the awnings work, I really like them and how they are supposed to work but with the water you descibe I am thinking it runs under the awning piece and then into the window area.
If they are dry then maybe the other ideas 🙂 But it would solve your problem if they are letting water through.
Good point, thank you - I will check the awning-wall seals.
Hi @David4321
I was in the dentist's waiting room this morning flicking through one of those "Better Homes than Yours" magazines and found an ad where a young woman is clearly admiring her angled hinged windows. I thought of this thread - and wondered how this window manufacturer can seal a window like this?
Yet we're having no luck with yours?
Interesting Noyade.
Heading out to Bunnings to pick up some of the seals and other items recommended.
Also - I am wondering if this door seal on the top outside of the window where it shuts against the Frame might work?
Thanks to all the helpful contributors.
Hi David @David4321
Would it be worth talking to the manufacturer/installer for advice/suggestions?
Or are these windows quite old?
That seal you've just put in might actually stop or at least lessen the amount of water travelling into the interior side of the window. I'm just worried that the mounting tape might not be enough to hold it in place. I propose adding extra mounting tape such as Scotch-Mount Extreme Double-Sided Mounting Tape 2.5cm x 1.5m.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Eric
These are cedar windows made 15 years ago @Noyade. Will check if manufacturer is still around.
Thank you
Hi JacobZ and Bunnings Team
Good progress thanks to ideas.
1) We found one cause of the leaks was a leak in the aluminium window-wall seal. See photograph 1. This was allowing rain to enter the window area rather than being channeled down the protective awning.
2) Each window was closed by the use of one 'stay' only. These windows need to be closed tight/locked by the use of two stays each side. Refer photo showing the double stay setup. Open windows use one stay each side - closed windows tighten through the use of the second stay.
3) Syneco 'Door & Window Weather Seal then used for additional protection around the frame.
Thanks Noyade. Appreciated your advice and comments.
Cheers
Thanks to everyone who has passed on advice on how to waterproof Timber windows in a brick home.
No more leaks even with all the recent rain! (Quality advice naturally.)
That's sensational to hear @David4321.
Many thanks for the update.
Mitchell
