My wife fancied us doing a version of this upcycled garden tool gate for our side return...
Inevitably actual construction is somewhat more complex and I'm still not used to the local selection of timber etc coming over from the UK so could do with some help please - once I've got materials sorted I'm happy with all the carpentry fun. Anticipating slight issues making sure the gate doesn't slump under the weight of tools at 1.5m wide in our scenario (might end up needing a diagonal reinforcement one side).
I've knocked up a quick sketchup model with the dimensions etc (actual tools will vary, but cloned for the sketch) https://app.sketchup.com/share/tc/northAmerica/Qh5rze4Rm-k?stoken=we9dYmN0NzuqAFnad5xxwkww-Y4DriWnS1uKlwAF4wLNKWOU6DMvS3NHeSTo6rqw&source=web
My starter questions! -
1) I've assumed doing 2 metal posts would be better for longevity than wood, so modelled 2 Australian Handyman Supplies 75 x 75mm x 2.4m Galvanised Steel Fence Post - is this a good idea, and if so, what's the best approach to doing rails for the palings and gate hinges to attach to? I can find a tutorial for wood fence posts notching in, but not much on doing it with steel fence posts... maybe I'm mix and matching approaches too much.2) Palings wise for the sides I've assumed 75 x 16mm 1.8m Fence Paling H3 Treated Pine Batten Wet but recommendations welcome
3) For fence railings and the gate frame I'd slightly randomly picked 75 x 38mm 4.8m Fence Rail H3 Treated Pine Wet Sawn but any more logical pick for either welcome.
Hello @kitfriendesq
Thanks for sharing your question about building a tool gate. The 75x38 for fence railing is fine but for the gate frame I suggest 90x45 as it will be carrying a fair bit of weight. In regards to the rails to the steel posts, I suggest using heavy duty angle brackets at the top and bottom. I recommend using Pinnacle 300mm Zinc Plated Heavy Duty Tee Hinge for the gate itself. Using 75x16 paling is perfectly fine for the fence.
I agree with your analysis that the gate might require a diagonal brace to prevent it from sagging.
My best advice is not to get anything less than H3 so that it is rated for outside use.
Let me call on our experienced members @Dave-1, @TedBear and @Nailbag for their recommendations.
If you need further assistance, please et us know.
Eric
Thanks Eric, fabulous recommendations!
For the angle brackets - what would you recommend for bolting them to the posts?
Hi @kitfriendesq
Depending on the type of bracket you'll be using, I suggest looking at the Hex Head Self Tapping Steel Screws for the steel post. For the timber side, I recommend the Zenith 8 - 10 x 50mm Galvanised Countersunk Rib Head External Timber Screws.
Please make sure to test and match your screws with your choice of angle brackets before finalizing your choice.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Morning @kitfriendesq
Now thats an outside the box gate! 🙂 Love it and cant wait to see it finished! 🙂
I am thinking along the lines of @EricL 's suggestions but maybe modify it slightly.
First way
Split the gate into two, either down teh center or 1/3 one side and 2/3rds the other. That way the weight wont be all on one post. You could also add a wheel to teh base of the gate to help the support (have teh wheel inside so its not seen so easily.
Second way
Use fencing wire as the "stay" for the cross bracing? Lighter then adding another piece of timber and with the wheel idea added as well.
Please take lots of photos to show how you do it as I think this will look pretty nice when you have installed it!
dave
Looks like a fantastic project @kitfriendesq
"I've assumed doing 2 metal posts would be better for longevity than wood"
For, me I'd go all steel - posts and gate frame. Big drop down hinges. You can then take it off multiple times to play with the gardening tools and their attachment/position. I'd try 100mm X 100mm steel posts with one well and truly buried in concrete. With this post in place I believe your 1.5 metre span would be achievable without any other bracing. Even some of those tools could be welded to the gate frame.
In your UK photo example above the gate frame is wood?
Bored holes or joined two pieces to encapsulate the shovel handles?
Cheers!
Love these ideas - thankyou @Dave-1
Thanks @Noyade - great ideas also!In the example (I think) and my plan I'd assumed the frame was wood and bored holes but the two halves solution feels like a good one and gives me more flex on whether I get tools with poles or wider handles. I think I'll definitely still go metal poles for the supports either side though as you say 👍
Metal gate frame would be nice but I'm not a confident welder/have the equipment handy so I'll probably try to focus on a carpentry-based solution 😁
G'day@kitfriendesq
"but I'm not a confident welder"
You look young, fit and healthy - you're never too old to try. 😁
Steel is actually more forgiving than wood - you can cover up a lotta mistakes. 😁
Good luck to you!
I got hopelessly distracted on some other DIY but just to say thanks for the help above I did get as far as doing the fence posts and side bits at least 🙂 Thanks for the advice @EricL @Dave-1 @Noyade! Hopefully will get to the gate in the next few weeks...
Please keep us updated with your progress, we look forward to seeing your gate finished and ready for use.
If you need further assistance, please let us know,
Evening @kitfriendesq
Half way there is half way there! 🙂 If you could see how I sidestep projects, think of things to add to projects, see something else or even start other projects you would probarly go "ahhhh so we all do that" 🙂 Its part of the process, I find I do that when there is something I am a little unsure of with what I am doing. Once I push myself I start to enjoy myself again but man its scary. Cant wait to see you continue your project !
Dave
After a slight delay progress has recommenced above my new upcycled steps! This was the dry fit before taking everything down again to paint.
There’s predictably a little bit of sag without a diagonal but as it’s occasional use only I’ll leave as is for now I reckon and see how it goes.
That looks sensational, and you have certainly nailed the brief on that one, @kitfriendesq. I trust you and your wife are exceptionally pleased with how this turned out.
Many thanks for the update, and well done!
Mitchell
That looks great! Best part it really matches what you described at the start! 😀
If you decide you need a diagonal brace down the track, you could use a piece of fencing wire so you dont block teh effort you have gone to 🙂
All you need is a doggo behind it having a gander through it 🙂
And yes I think this would look great put together as a project!
Thanks @Dave-1 definitely agree the wire diagonal approach is very practical. Once the initial build is done I'll probably do that anyway tbh - feels like a good pre-emptive measure! Just waiting for the paint to dry now 😂
A (possibly final) update now with the paint sorted! Very pleased with how it looks.
That gate makes me smile every time I see it 🙂 It looks great painted.
So next question... What is the next project you have in mind! 🙂
We’ve been asking the same question @Dave-1!
candidates:
- my wife’s incoming cactys garden probably needs a brick wall built, so I can probably usefully improve my mediocre bricklaying skills I started for our pizza oven project
- we do need a carport but I think I might outsource that one
- my son’s been asking for a second level to his treehouse for ages (most fun candidate 😆)
Afternoon @kitfriendesq
🙂 Option 1 or 2 from a kids standpoint.... We use to hoon down my grandmas back path and try totake the right angled corner...... and never make it but end up in Grandmas cactus garden 9 times out of ten... then the black ointment would come out lol So yes This would be good to brick up! 😀
Tree houses are FUN, I built so many when I was a teenager, right down to a drawbridge out to the tree (only acess to the tree was via the drawbridge) 🙂
Another one that would be the top of the list 🙂 It taught me a bunch of stuff about cantilevers and support weights..... If it could support bodies then it was safe... Push sisters out on it first... 😲 hahahha well almost, I did go first and then got them to step out afterwards!
Looking forward to seing which one you choose first!
I think it'll be make wife happy and then kids, and carport gets outsourced @Dave-1 😁
I did a little treehouse for them in the UK which was a fun build - should have taken a snap of the steps I build between the tree and the shed, took hours 😂:
They got gifted a pretty decent cubby house on stilts here, so extend that with stairs to a platform on the tree beside it is the idea 😅 - probably one for me to start a thread on here! The cubby I'll need to build onto -
