hi there i purchased from bunnings special orders 2 x external solid doors 1200mm wide x 2040 high (35mm depth) i need to know what hinges to buy and what type of screws or bolts i should use. Concern customer
Hi @Miczam,
Thank you for your question and welcome to the Bunnings Workshop community, it is fantastic to have you with us.For heavy doors, I always recommend using heavy-duty ball bearing hinges such as these Heavy Duty Hinge Austyle 100x75.2.5mm. You should be fine using 3 hinges per door, but if you are particularly concerned, carpenters will often install a 4th hinge, with 2 at the top, 1 in the middle and 1 at the bottom. See the below render as an example.
For screws, I'd suggest using 50mm screws that match the finish of your hinges, for example, these Zenith 10G x 50mm Zinc Plated Hinge-Long Thread Countersunk Head Timber Screws would be fine.You might like to check out How To Hang a Door for some guidance.If you weren't confident installing the door yourself, you might like to check out our Door Installation service as an option that can be organised through your local store's Special Orders desk.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Jacob
Thank you for your feedback. I am still concern that the proposal put forward by you may not hold door and the door will rip off the hinges due to its weight, mainly because the doors are 1200mm wide. The weight is around 45-50kgs according to the weight machine. Do you thing the option provided in your response would work? Or do you think ta different style hinge, like a T hinge that goes along the front of door would provide better support.
Please advise
Hi @Miczam
Just a member who votes for @JacobZ's recommendations above.
And a definite no to the T-hinges.
Cheers!
I understand your concerns, however, you can see in the description for the hinges I've linked to that they can hang 60kg doors with only 3 hinges. Using 4 hinges, you can reasonably assume that they are capable of hanging a door that you indicate is roughly 45-50kg. I can say from personal experience, having worked as a commercial carpenter that this is the standard method for installing heavy doors. See the below example of a door I hung for the armoury room of a police station. This door was 50mm thick with bulletproof glass. I couldn't tell you the exact weight, but trust me, it was heavy.If you still have concerns, I would be happy to contact the manufacturer of the door to confirm their advised method of installation.Can you advise the manufacturer and the specific doors that you have?Let me know what you think.
Ok thank you Jacob. This is one option. Our preference is to go with the Tee Hinge see attached. I bought 3 for each side. they are 350mm long. On bunnings Website they dont provide the weight capacity. Can you assist and confirm the following:
Our doors are STPC Duracote 2040 x 1200 x 35mm External solid doors
1. weight capacity
2. Do i use screws or do i use bolts and nuts to go through the wood?
I have spoken to Hume Doors, the producer of the door you have purchased, who have advised that your doors can be hung with three standard butt hinges and if you were still concerned about the weight, a fourth in the orientation I have described earlier would be the way to go. Using heavy-duty ball bearing hinges is not a requirement but it is certainly worthwhile as they're designed to support heavier doors.Tee hinges are not designed for use with doors, and I would strongly recommend you don't use them. If you are still not comfortable, I would strongly suggest contacting a door installer for their assistance. That way if their chosen method of installation fails, they will be responsible for the repair.
As someone who regularly installs solid feature doors, I can support 100% @JacobZ recommendations for both the number of hinges or if in doubt getting the door professionally installed. Any shortcuts in the type, number and quality of hinges will come back to bite you on what already I would imagine is an expensive door.
Should you decide to install it yourself I can highly recommend investing in a pair of Winbags to support the weight during the fitment process. Or hand lifting jacks which is what I use regularly which unfortunately Bunnings is yet to stock. Both products have many other usages past this project that make them handy to have.
Nailbag
HI Jacob, thank you. I will run with your recommendation and will go for 4 hinges for safety. Appreciate your feedback on this matter.
Hi @Nailbag
"Or hand lifting jacks which is what I use regularly which unfortunately Bunnings is yet to stock."
No, but they do have the Stanley equivalent which I saw the other day. You can buy then singularly or as a twin pack. I think one on its own was $199. Too pricey for me though.
On the subject of doors - saw this one yesterday in an orthopaedic surgeon's office. Massive. Floor to ceiling and solid wood - around 3 metres in height.
And yes - 4 hinges.
Hi jacob,
I have modified the doors i purchased and made them more into a barn door style. In regards to the hinges suggested i need to resolve this last problem.
I added 18mm depth timber to the doors to create a barn door style.
The width of the door is 35mm and the width of the timber added is 18mm see picture. I would like to get hinges that extend beyond the 18mm (added timber area) so i am screwing in the hinge into the 35mm of the original door. Can you point me to hinges that extrude beyond the 18mm.
You'd likely need to go with a wide throw hinge such as the Pinnacle 100mm Satin Stainless Steel Wide Throw Hinge Single.
Mitchell
Thank you for that. Do they come in a Black colour to match the other decor by any chance.
Hello @Miczam
I'm sorry, but the Pinnacle 100mm Satin Stainless Steel Wide Throw Hinge Single does not come in a black colour. However, you can spray paint it black in order to match your other fittings.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Eric
Hi Mitchell,
If the width is 100mm and depth 125mm then the depth of my door is 50mm, how will i be able to fix the hinge to the edge of the doors?
please advise
It's quite hard to visualise with placing the hinge up against the door @Miczam.
Perhaps the below diagram might assist. As you are creating a custom-door, you'll need to test fit to see if it works for you.
Hi There, further to my earlier messages, i went to bunnings today and found hinges Matt Black, see pictures attached. I spoke with staff at the store however they were not qualified to give me a firm answer. What i want to know if these hinges (the matt black ) as per the attachment photos are suitable to hold doors that are extra wide and weight 50kgs each. So are they heavy duty
Provided you follow @JacobZ's advice above and use at least four hinges, two at the top, one in the middle, and one at the bottom, you should be fine. Our recommendation was that you use heavy-duty hinges that have ball bearings as they are the most suitable for heavier doors. These hinges are not heavy-duty and do not have ball bearings.
Since you're creating a custom door, you might just have to try them and see how they go.
Hi Bunnings experts,
As you are aware i am making 2 barn doors for external use and they are very heavy around 55kilos each. So you have recommended i use the heavy 100mm wide hinge heavy duty hinge. They only come in silver. I have purchased these,. However when i was in Bunnings yesterday i saw these T Hinges black (see below picture of it), they say they are heavy duty. Would these hinges be suitable to handle the heave door i have have. Door size 1200mm x 2040 x 35mm x 2 doors.
You could certainly try them. As per the previous recommendations, you'll need to use at least three or more per door. What those hinges don't have is ball bearings, which are commonly used for doors of your size. Ball bearings allow the door to be easily opened and extend the life of the hinge.
Hi Mitch,
So i am 100% sure, would Bunnings be able to verify the specs for these T hinges (they do say heavy duty) that they will be able to handle 60kgs doors that are 1200 wide and how many T hinges would be needed?
I would appreciate this and it will give me piece of mind
The doors you are using are very heavy and exceptionally wide. The information we have based on what the manufacturers have specified is that you should use hinges with ball bearings. The hinges you've selected are gate hinges, not door hinges. So, it's difficult to verify whether they would work on your doors. A heavy-duty gate hinge would be designed for a 900mm wide gate or possibly 1200mm. However, a gate is typically no more than 20kg in weight versus the 45-50kg of your doors.
Due to the weight of your doors and the fact that these hinges do not have ball bearings, it is presumed that the hinge's metal-on-metal design will begin to grind under the weight, diminishing its lifespan. How quickly they will fail is unknown, but it's most likely that they will at some point.
I've logged a request with Zenith for further specifications on the hinge to see if they can provide a weight rating. I'll update you when I hear back from them.
Many thanks for your patience.
In respect to the heavy duty hinges (ones above in silver) i purchased as per Hume door recommendations which i received from you,
i was in bunnings the other day and saw these ones. I wanted to know if you could touch base with Hume doors for me to see if these hinges are suitable for the 2 x heavy (extra wide) barn doors i am about to hangup. See attached photos
I am confident that these hinges when installed in the orientation I've mentioned above will be fine.
Hi There, the hinges purchased for these 2 external heavy doors are based on your department following up with Hume Doors. If you refer to the photos below, the hinges overhang the depth by about 5mm.
The question i have is, do i over hang on which side. At the ball bearing side or on the edge?
Please advise your guidance and if there is any difference?
The overhang would be on the hinge side. On the opposite side, they should be recessed back from the edge, approximately 5mm.
Please let me know if you have further questions.
Thank you. any chance you can do a rough sketch please. I want to make sure I get it right.
It should look like the image below.
Here's a helpful installation guide.
that is now 100% clear. So the overhang will be on the outside of the door. I hope it wont look too bad in appearance. Anyway we will go with this and install in the coming weeks.
Quick question, what is the best way to make the insert for the hinge to sit in. I normally use a hammer and wood chisel?
Hammer and wood chisel is the way to go, @Miczam.
before i start, i have 2 x solid doors 1200 wide that weigh about 65kilos each. You recommended certain door hinges which is now connected to the doors. I am about to install thew doors. The post i am using are as follows. Purchased from Bunnings.
88 x 88mm 2.4m H3 LOSP Treated & Primed Laminated FJ Pine Pos.
Are these post strong enough to hold the doors on, I.E. the screws wont come out as the timber is not hard enough?
thankjs
