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I am planning some drainage improvements in my yard of my new property and would love some ideas on how to do this trench drain better.. It is leaking at segment joints (every 1m) into my sub-deck area causing some moisture issues internally (slope of entire backyard + under deck is towards dwelling). I am also going to do a subsoil drain to handle the under the surface water, but tackling the overland flow first...
Close up
My observations of the issues with it so far:
* the drain is made up of 1m pieces of https://www.bunnings.com.au/everhard-1m-easydrain-polymer-grate-and-channel_p4770206, clicked together every 1m;
* drain drain is not installed in concrete, rather fastened to deck joists;
* the fall of many of the 1m segments was in the opposite direction of where it needs to be;
* there was a buildup of sediment in the drain and lots of water pooling during rain, likely due to incorrect fall + sediment buildup;
* the joins between the segments looked deformed (like a V shape), likely due to no concrete in installation;
* the grates over the top were too wide for the channel body, also likely due to no concrete in installation.
It seems that the trench drain is an effective (and required in order to catch overland flow from yard and multiple retaining walls) drain, but because of being right up against the deck, installing it with concrete is tricky, but I do need to replace it. I think without concrete it got bullied by the surrounding soil over time. I am also unsure how to make the correct fall (1:100) look visually ok - the deck length is 5.5m, and the height difference of the drain of 5.5cm from left to right will be easily visible.
Some ideas I had:
* try a similar installation approach but with a stainless steel grate, which might be less prone to buckling inwards, but I feel it may still get pushed up by the soil;
* remove some decking planks and do the concrete anyway;
* bring the drain away from deck by 50mm, to allow for the concrete to be on both sides of the trench (concrete would sit right up against deck, but then no soil behind it really)
Is there a way to make a trench drain work in this scenario? How do people with similar slopes finish their deck? Should I maybe divert the downpipes to a LPOD by running some PVC, delete the channel drain entirely and hope the subsoil drain (which will be 600mm deep by 300mm wide, top layer of decorative pebbles) catches everything and doesn't let anything slip under the deck?
TYIA
Denis
Good evening @Dave-1 , my apologies for late reply.
You make an excellent point re: plumbing away from house. There is actually a stormwater pipe connected to the end of the grate and that is discharging downstream of the house appropriately. I've outlined the pipe in orange (it's otherwise impossible to see as it's painted the same color as timber under the deck):
Re: airgap, can I ask where exactly is there a risk of water pooling if there is no airgap? If the grate is right up against the deck, it just hopefully just roll off into the drain? Re: air flow being different, can I ask why that might be? I mean there is a bit of timber that you see in the photo that would restrict the air flow. Does that account for the difference?
Cheers,
Denis
Hello @denisl
Let me tag @Dave-1 as well to make them aware of your question. I imagine that Dave was referring to a gap perhaps between the proposed agi-pipe drain and the deck. However, I'm not sure how big a gap Dave-1 was going to recommend.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Eric
Good Evening @denisl
Thanks for showing the pipe, My main want was to make sure the pipe was feeding the water away from the house.
As for the air gap, With you retaining wall and higher neighbours plus your grassed area I figure that the runoff in a downpour could be excessive and overwhelm the grill drain. The gap I am thinking of is so dampness has something to escape via as it drys out if the grate is overwhelmed.
As a side note that type of grate drain is not perfectly sealed at the joins. It will carry water yes but its not a sealed join unit.
Dave
Good afternoon @Dave-1 ,
Thank you once again for your reply!
You do make a good point about the grate drain being overwhelmed. I will keep an eye on how the existing one performs in heavy rain to see if this is a concern. I moved into the property just as Alfred was hitting (in fact same day lol), and I watched the drain handle the overland flow without overflowing from the top. Of course the leaks from the segment joints into right under my deck could have been preventing the overflow of the drain from the top, so I definitely would not rule the out possibility of overflow. As for the grassy area + retaining wall + neighbour's overland flow, I think you are 100% right and I am currently in the process of evaluating the effectiveness of the drain systems behind the sandstone wall and the concrete retaining wall above that. They do have drains but whether they work is another story. I was advised to put spoon drains atop the sandstone wall to manage the overland flow better.
On a related note, I have sealed the current channel grate to see how the setup performs before I make decision on how to best replace it. It took a lot of waterproofing but it's finally watertight to a point where filling the grate with a hose does not leak under the deck at all. This is of course not a real "rain test" and I'll have to wait for actual heavy prolonged rain.
The installation guide does advocate the use of silicone in the joints, but that silicone will surely not survive water pooling + soil movement for very long. I'd be more inclined to use something like https://www.bunnings.com.au/crommelin-4l-exterior-grade-brushable-waterproofer_p0961599 but one that sticks to plastic. https://liquidrubberdiy.com.au/products/waterproof-sealant comes to mind (sorry not a Bunnings product).
Warm Regards,
Denis
Good Evening @denisl
Sounds like you have been stepping through the same thought process as we all have
Time plus ideas really help sort things. For my preference with drainage I like a "dead mans sytem" something that keeps on working with no human intervention, such as the agi pipe and gravel. Grab that sketch book, and take a seat at a cafe and sketch out the pathways the water flows down and across your property. I need to do that with my ideas for my back yard as well. ![]()
Dave
Good evening @Dave-1 ,
Yes absolutely right! Thank you for your insight with my project and good luck with yours ![]()
Cheers,
Denis
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