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Which render should I use?

squeakysim
Building a Reputation

Which render should I use?

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I have some patch rendering to do and I thought it would be pretty straight forward; just get some straight sand and cement render for the scratch coat and then apply a top coat. But, this is my first time and there are a multitude of different options out there it seems! 

And, I've got a few different scenarios which I feel require different considerations, so I want to try and find a single option that can cover them all if possible without the needs for buying different materials for each...

1. I have full depth patching, that goes back to brick to carry out in the kitchen (10mm+)

2. I need to patch where the old wall heater was and now has a sheet of cement board to render over (5-10mm), but there is deep gaps on the sides (see photo)

3. I need to skim some areas where removing tiles has removed mainly just the top coat, and few mm's of base coat in places.

4. Oh yes, and also filling in chasings from new cable runs (about 30mm).

 

I was going to keep it simple and cost effective, but then I read you need to use a different kind of render for cement board and I don't want to have to buy different materials for each task!

 

Can I use Dunlop 20kg Multipurpose Acrylic Render  as a base for all tasks, then apply a top coat?

squeakysim
Building a Reputation

Re: Which render should I use?

Thanks again! 
Can I use any other bonding agent, my local doesn’t stock this one?

I’ve heard of people using a pva mix, is that suitable..?

Do the bonding agents get diluted, or used as they are? 

I’ve also just identified another hole I have to fill which is going to require a whole other approach (pun unintended!). 
As you can see, there’s a cavity behind so there not a lot to hold anything together! Maybe 50mm at the bottom of the hole there…

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squeakysim
Building a Reputation

Re: Which render should I use?

I was just wondering, is there any reason I can’t use a sand and cement mix for the base and chasing? I have quite a lot to fill and so think it would be more cost effective, even if I need to put an additive in. 

JacobZ
Bunnings Team Member
Bunnings Team Member

Re: Which render should I use?

Hi @squeakysim,

 

You could use bondcrete. It will need to be mixed with water following the instructions on the packaging. You would need to apply a sealer coat, which is a 1:4 ratio, 1-part bondcrete to 4 parts water, then apply a bond coat, which is 4:1, 4 parts bondcrete to 1 part water.

 

You should be fine just using sand and cement mix, which is more or less what mortar is anyway. You could also use the bondcrete as an admix to help it cling to the surrounding surfaces. 

 

Just make sure you apply it in layers in the deeper areas.

 

Let me know if you have any further questions.

 

Jacob

 

squeakysim
Building a Reputation

Re: Which render should I use?

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Things are progressing well, albeit slowly! I had respect for plasterers before this; even more so now!! 

I haven’t started on the cement board section yet, but before I do I want to check if I need to prime it with anything special before applying the Fine Coat Render? 

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JacobZ
Bunnings Team Member
Bunnings Team Member

Re: Which render should I use?

Hi @squeakysim,

 

I've worked with quite a few plasterers and renderers, and I quickly learned how much respect should be given to them; it is heavy work and there's a very fine art to it.

 

You've done a brilliant job so far; you should be very proud.

 

You can continue using the Bondcrete in the same fashion mentioned above. It will work just the same as it would on brick and block walls.

 

Let me know if you have any further questions.

 

Jacob

 

squeakysim
Building a Reputation

Re: Which render should I use?

Thanks @JacobZ 

 

I’ve done the fine coat render on the main part of the wall, unfortunately I’ve not got the finish anywhere near as smooth/flat as I’d like. Fortunately, the majority of it is covered by cabinets or tiles. However there is still a section that will be painted. I was wondering if I can skim a really thin coat of plaster over it to try and take out the imperfections? 
I’ve only put the first coat of render on the cement board so far, so I’m thinking of using plaster to finish it as well to try and match the walls on either side if you think that would work?


Slight deviation from the original post, but all the wall in my place have what appears to be lining paper under the paint (see pic - the blue is painted, the beige is the ripped paper, and then there’s the old plaster). Can you suggest anything that I should do to transition the patched section with the old lined walls? I had wondered whether feathering the plaster might work, but don’t want to end up with plaster peeling off where I’ve gone over the paper. Failing that do I need to try and cut the paper back, and try and fit another sheet so as to try and match them up…??

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JacobZ
Bunnings Team Member
Bunnings Team Member

Re: Which render should I use?

Hi @squeakysim,

 

You can skim coat the render using hardwall plaster mixed with hydrated lime. Check out How To White Set Internal Render for some guidance.

 

Working out exactly what it is would be a start. Do you have any other photos you could upload? If you take a utility knife or the corner of your trowel and make a cut in the paper, what do you see?

 

It looks like it could just be the face of some plasterboard or MDF. 

 

If it is not moving, I don't think it is anything to really worry about. Your plaster should still stick to it.

 

Allow me to tag @Nailbag and @Dave-1 to see what they think.

 

Jacob

 

Dave-1
Community Megastar

Re: Which render should I use?

Good Afternoon @squeakysim 

I would try cutting off a section of that shiny pape rsurface next to the blue paint to see whats under it. As @JacobZ has suggested it could be plasterboard and if thats the case I would cut a straight section so theer is no loose paper and continue with your rendering. (Every job we do we get better :smile: ) I have not rendered anything and hope one day when I do it goes as well as yours.

 

Dave

Nailbag
Home Improvement Guru

Re: Which render should I use?

Hi @squeakysim 

 

As both @JacobZ and @Dave-1 mentioned you should be fine to feather the top coats out without fear of long term wear and tear.

 

The important thing is to ensure the surface is clean of any loose material and especially the old plasterboard paper edges. I use a sharp blade to make clean cuts and remove it well back from where it’s lifting. 

Nailbag

squeakysim
Building a Reputation

Re: Which render should I use?

Thanks @JacobZ @Nailbag @Dave-1 !

There's no plasterboard, the wall is hard plaster with lining wallpaper on top that's painted blue. 

Moving left to right from the crack, there's white plaster, a light coloured painted, then where the paper surface is torn, and then blue paint on top.

 

I will be tiling other areas that also have this lining paper on the wall, do you think the painted paper should be removed before I tile...? My feeling is probably yes, but wondered if I'm over thinking it!?

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