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Outdoor garden home made stairs exisiting, need to put in a hand rail. Ground to hard to dig and concrete. Stairs run down a slope, so no danger of falling off them to a drop. Just for steadying. Can i bolt on wood to the exisiting stairs? Side panel of stairs is 50mmx240mmx4000mm treated pine.
Looking for the recommendations for timber for hand rail and if should be sturdy enough.
Thanks,
Hi @stuartheth,
I think it is entirely possible to add a handrail to those stairs, but I would be cautious about the way you are proposing to do it. While bolting timber to the existing stair structure can work, what you are describing would really fall into the category of a light duty or temporary style solution rather than something that performs like a proper handrail. The main issue is the span. A four metre length of handrail fixed only at the ends will flex and move in the middle, which defeats the purpose of having it there for stability.
To make it genuinely sturdy, I would suggest adding a couple more uprights. Using 140 x 45 treated pine for the uprights works well. One upright at each end and two spaced evenly through the middle will reduce the unsupported span to roughly one metre between posts, which makes a huge difference to rigidity. These uprights should be bolted through the stair stringer with coach bolts, ideally four bolts per post, so the load is well distributed.
Once the uprights are in place, you can cut the tops to suit the angle of the stairs and fix a 90 x 45 treated pine rail along the top as the handrail, or if you want a more polished look, a timber handrail. That section size is comfortable to grip and strong enough for outdoor use. To stiffen the whole assembly further, I would also recommend running an additional 90 x 45 rail partway down the uprights, tying them together. This bracing stops the posts from twisting or rocking independently and makes the handrail feel much more solid when you lean on it.
One important thing to double-check is that the stair stringers and treads themselves are well fixed and not relying on friction or light fixings. Your handrail will only be as strong as what it is bolted to, so the stringers need to be firmly secured to their supports in the ground and the treads. If all of that is sound, this approach should give you a stable and confidence-inspiring handrail for steadying on the slope.
As with any stair or handrail work, if you are unsure about loads or fixings, it is always a good idea to run the plan past a carpenter or builder, or even get an engineer’s opinion if you want absolute certainty. That said, built this way, it should feel solid and do the job you are aiming for.
Let me mention @Nailbag to see if he has any thoughts.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Mitchell
Hi Mitchell,
This is what we are dealing with - your sugguestion sounds good except wouldn't i need some bracing on an angle?
I do not believe diagonal bracing is required if utilising four posts, a handrail and a support member @stuartheth. That creates a rigid structure. Ofcourse you could add some if you wish.
Mitchell
G'day @stuartheth
"Ground too hard to dig and concrete."
Personally I hate the idea of dirt beating me 😁 - keep trying. Try a hand auger, crowbar and hole shovel.
Two holes.
Get an engineering firm to bend 2" Gal Pipe based on your angles. Four metres easily spanned. (I had one made for my mother).
Insert.
Concrete.
Hand rail is now independent from your stair woodwork.
No wood.
No splinters.
No bolts.
No screws.
Just a thought.
