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I’ve got a late 1960s high set house, so the slab doesn’t have positive side waterproofing (pretty sure the original owners sorted the slab themselves).
The lower level isn’t legal height, but I’ve built another spare bedroom downstairs. Timber framed, gyprock sheeting, insulation. When the base plates for the stud walls were put in I didn’t put waterproofing down, so there is water coming up through the slab. The side walls have bitumen paint on them that seems to have worked. I initially did the same for the flooring, but with the rains back in early 2022, that was pushed up and had to be removed mechanically. Since then I put down Davco K11 - an alkali reactive cementitious waterproofing product. After Alfred came through recently, there was minor flooding coming through where the studs were drilled into the slab and under the studs. I know I’ll have to remove the baseplates of the studs and replace them.
I’m after advice on waterproofing products to use, whether or not the baseplates can be steel studs or I should go with timber again with adequate damp proof treatment between the timber and slab, or just any general advice. Waterproofing products would need to be negative side.
Thank you in advance!
Welcome to the Bunnings Workshop community @boxer-brass_09. It's terrific to have you join us, and many thanks for your question about waterproofing.
This definitely sounds like a complex issue, and I’d strongly recommend bringing in a professional—particularly a licensed waterproofer or builder—given the extent of the work likely required.
To waterproof the area effectively, you'd probably need to remove all internal walls so that a continuous membrane can be applied. That includes making sure all junctions with exterior walls are properly sealed, as water will find any weak point. You’ll also want to assess how water is entering in the first place—if it’s coming through the slab, you may need to look at external drainage improvements around the perimeter of the building to reduce hydrostatic pressure on the slab.
In terms of negative-side waterproofing, a product like Sika 10kg Sikalastic Waterproof Membrane could be suitable, as it's designed to resist water pressure from the inside. But again, application must be done thoroughly, with attention to every joint, penetration, and wall junction.
As for rebuilding the walls, you can go with steel framing to avoid rot in future, or if you choose to stick with timber, make sure to install a proper damp-proof course (DPC) or waterproof membrane between the slab and the base plate. Treated timber rated for ground contact is also a must in these situations. However, in the presence of moisture, even the steel frame (which is extremely thin) will rust and deteriorate quickly; perhaps even faster than timber.
All up, it’s a sizeable job, and one that really needs to be done once, and done properly—so definitely worth getting a pro’s help here.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Mitchell
Thank you Mitchell.
In lieu of getting a professional out, I think I’d prefer to do this myself considering how much has been done already. Would you have any recommendations for tackling this myself?
Hello @boxer-brass_09
I understand your desire to do this as a D.I.Y project, but due to the complex nature of the repair, I can only suggest what my teammate has recommended in regards to getting a professional to repair it. This leak is actually more involved than you realize as it has probably occurred under the walls as well, as it is a single solid slab. These sections under the wall will probably be unsealed as well and will therefore be likely leaking.
Let me call on our experienced members @Dave-1 and @Nailbag for their recommendations.
If you need assistance, please let us now.
Eric
Good Evening @boxer-brass_09
😕 What a pain. And I am heading straight to getting a profesional to assess at the very least. When I did my garage, much like you I had "presumed" that brick walls wouldnt pass water. Yeah they do, cracks in mortar and just bricks being bricks lol I couldnt tell where the water was coming from and thought it may have come up through the slab.
It was coming from outside, either throught low level cracks in the brickwork or from up my patio. Water travels long distances and will always take the shortest path. If you have water coming up through the holes you drilled for the wallplates, that is a bit of a concern structually. It would mean that your concrete floor isnt too thick. (35mm to 45mm for the stud wall sitting on the concrete is my thoughts, drilling down even 80mm from flat concrete you should be in concrete still.
With your description of various ingresses of water, it sounds like it may be wise to go through and fix each issue, that said if the floor is a culprit it may be cheaper to redo the floor then try and fix the symptons. A professional will be able to give a better judged answer.
Dave
Noting your post reply to @MitchellMc in not seeking the advice and services of a professional, bear in mind the living space is illegal. I only highlight this because insurance companies look for any excuse not to pay out, even if the causes aren't related. There are very strict guidelines and requirements for converting any space to a living one underground or not.
The photos supplied indicate severe water ingress which will compromise the sub-level building structure and more importantly electrical wiring.
My advice is to please take this very seriously and at the very least seek professional advice on how to rectify the issues. This is not going to be something an on-line forum will be able to resolve.
Nailbag.
Thanks Eric - much appreciated!
I took off the gyprock in the affected areas a while ago (this all happened during Alfred, as mentioned, so the photos were at the peak of the flooding).
The concrete slab isn’t uniform - it’s a whole lot of smaller ones that have been placed to form the larger one.
You can see in some of the photos where the water must’ve come up and brought some debris with it (not sure if that’s from carpenter ants or not - someone with far more knowledge than me is more than welcome to chime in!).
From closer inspection is doesn’t look like it’s coming up through the drill holes for the baseplates - it’s more in the corners where the slabs meet the walls.
Hello @boxer-brass_09
The white powdery residue on the surface of your concrete floor is called efflorescence. It's a phenomenon caused by moisture migrating through the concrete, bringing dissolved salts to the surface. This often happens when hydrostatic pressure is present which is water moving through the concrete. This automatically tells you that the concrete floor has no moisture barrier underneath. Installing a temporary sealer will not be an effective solution as it will only be a short-term fix.
I propose speaking to a concrete specialist and getting a detailed quote on what it would take to properly seal off your floor. You will at least have an idea of the materials and cost for the repair. Having an idea of what is involved will at least give you a starting point.
If you need further assistance, please let us know.
Eric
Hi Eric,
I had a friend who’s a builder take a look at it, and he said there were a few options for me.
1. Excavate the exterior (the besser brick walls aren’t waterproofed on the positive side), waterproof that and put ag pipe and drainage gravel to mitigate water coming in.
2. Take out the baseplate studs, put waterproofing on the slab, then damp proof course and H3 timber, then refit some villa board or wet area gyprock in the lower levels.
Would anyone have any advice on particular products to use?
Afternoon @boxer-brass_09
I do like the idea of waterproofing from the outside, My probelm tho is the effervescence on those blocks of the floor. It shows water is coming up through the blocks. It would be a shame to go to the expense and labour to do the walls like you are suggesting without mitigating the floor issue. The square blocks with nothing between them is another one that potentially has water issues as well.
Dave
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